wazzz
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Post by wazzz on Jan 27, 2013 17:11:09 GMT -5
The lesson at church today was taken from Genesis 32 verses 22 to32 and it was about Jacob. I always believed that of Isaac's two sons Esau was the good for nothing one, in fact some believe that the white man's lineage comes from Esau. However in this lesson it seems that Jacob was the shyster because he used Isaac's blindness to wrestle away Esau's birthright and get his father's blessings. Of course Jacob was afraid of Esau as a result and tried to appease him by giving him gifts.
But this is where I get confused, after Jacob parted ways with his wives, sons and servants at Jabbok he gets into a tussle with the Man whom I assume is God and refuses to let go until he receives the blessings. The lesson goes on to explain that after he received the blessing s his name was changed to Israel.
I am hoping Vaughn or any of my learned friends on this board can clarify a little for me especially the part of the fractured hip socket and why they abstained from eating meat from that part of the body.
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Post by vaughn on Jan 28, 2013 6:14:49 GMT -5
I do not know what was the object of that passage being read in church. Unless one applies definition, illustration, and application, then that passage remains mere words, and there is no teaching. Individuals, like Wazz did, will read anything they wish into the words.
Verse 32 uses the word "because" so that is the stated reason. One ought NOT to read anything else into that statement. It explains itself.
No one has seen God at any time, so the man could NOT have been God. God is spirit.
I invite you to Google the chapter and verse, and see what others say about the verses. Ideally, you should be going to the one who read the verses in church. And that is one of the most beautiful and beneficial things about a home fellowship. After the teaching, one can sit with the teacher, and ask for further explanations. What chance does one have to even meet with the reader/teacher in a church to ask a question? And how many individuals can the reader/teacher handle from a congregation of as few as 300? But when a home fellowship is limited to a maximum of twenty (20) persons, some of which would be families, everyone has an opportunity to ask questions.
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wazzz
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Post by wazzz on Jan 28, 2013 13:04:43 GMT -5
Vaughn, I agree about home fellowships, in fact I decided to ask for clarification from the board since I figured you and others here have had lively debates going on about the Bible. In fact I intend to join the study sessions that are held by the Church. The senior pastor used the phrase ' Not letting go ' taken from the passage to build his sermon around yesterday. I feel a little disadvantaged because of never having studied the Bible before and the use of archaic language throws me for a loop. But I am determined to learn.
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Post by vaughn on Feb 3, 2013 12:52:30 GMT -5
Hi Wazz, one-on-one instruction has always been the best. I have to study and read everyday, because I have to be prepared to teach formally twice a week. In actual fact, I have to be prepared to teach everyday, as long as the opportunity presents itself. Many of the traditional churches are moving to this study format. So that is always a good start. Just look out for God making a way for you. He already knows your heart, and as you move, He moves with you. It is like a child standing on an adult's feet while the adult walks. One of the most rewarding walks in life.
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